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  • Local Petitions (Read only)

    Welcome to the discussion forum for the consultation on Local Petitions and Calls for Action.

    The Government believes there should be a statutory duty on local authorities to respond to local petitions. We are running a consultation to gather your views on these proposals and whether you’re a member of the public, from a local authority, a councillor or from a community organisation, we would like to hear what you think. 

    We will be running a series of discussions based around the proposals and consultation questions throughout the consultation period. You can find the consultation document by following this link http://www.communities.gov.uk/publications/localgovernment/petitionscalls.

    The consultation will run until 20th March 2008.

    From Tuesday 29th January 2008 until Monday18th February 2008 we would specifically like to hear your views on the conditions a petition should meet in order to require a local authority to respond. 

    The Government believes that there should be a duty to respond in the following circumstances, when

    a) The subject of the petition relates to the functions of the local authority, or other public services with shared delivery responsibilities with the local authority through the Local Area Agreement or other partnership arrangement

    b) The petition has been organised by a local person

    c) The petition demonstrates a sufficient level of support from local people

    One of the questions this raises is how do we define a ‘local person’? 

    Options include

    • a person appearing in the electoral register for the local authority’s area
    • any adult who lives or works in the area at the time the petition is submitted, or
    • any adult who has lived or worked in the area for at least a qualifying period of time before the petition is submitted.

    Should this be extended to include anyone who attends a school or college in the area?

    Another issue highlighted is the level of support (i.e. number of signatures) a petition should need. The suggestions include:

    • by a fixed number of signatures? (e.g. “at least 250 signatures”)
    • by a percentage of the electorate in the area? (e.g. at least 1 per cent)
    • by a hybrid of the two? (e.g. 200 signatures or 5 per cent of the population)
    • or in some other way?

    How should we define the level of support required before a petition must get a formal, substantive response?

    We look forward to hearing your views. If you would prefer to submit your thoughts in a different format you can find information on how to do this by following this link http://www.communities.gov.uk/publications/localgovernment/petitionscalls

    Over to you.

    Emma
    (Moderator)

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    30/01/2008, 1:12 PM :: Posted by brennon (Posts 3)

    Re: Local Petitions

    The Electoral Roll should be the start point.  Although government might be accused of introducing limitations to a process designed to give people easier access to local government, using the ER as the start point would offer the opportunity to confirm a genuine local connection.  It might also encourage some people, who have not done so, to actually register to vote. 

    It would also make it just that bit more difficult for some non-local organisation or vested interest to raise a petition that promotes their own interests and not necessarily those of local people.

    In respect of numbers required, I think some considerations needs to be given to the area affected and this is where the use of a % figure might be useful.  If it is a ward based issue, then a certain % of residents in the ward should be required to sign.  In a ward of 3000 voters it would not be unreasonable to expect at least 5% (150) people to demonstrate that the issue was indeed important enough to them, to warrant a response from the council.  Picking an actual number of signatures, say 100, could lead to some multi-member wards being able to easily muster sufficient support for numerous petty and time consuming petitions.

    When it comes to numbers required for a district wide issue, say the re-introduction of weekly refuse collections or the use of wheelie bins, I believe there is a need to seriously consider a requirement for, not just a certain % of signatures, but also a representative number from across that district.  This would allow for a sensible and achievable % to be applied, e.g. in a district with 50,000 people registered to vote, you can require a low % figure, say 2.5% ,so as not to make it too onerous to achieve, but you then require them to be from a representative number of locations within the district as a whole, say 33% or 50% of all wards.

    Where an issue affects several wards, but not the whole district, the 5% figure could be applied to each ward affected, thereby ensuring that it was a genuine concern across all those wards and not just an issue being promoted by a localised single interest group.

           

  • 307 in reply to 305
    30/01/2008, 2:52 PM :: Posted by Jonathan Bryant (Posts 1)

    Re: Local Petitions

     

    At Brighton & Hove City Council we already have a procedure for handling petitions (see extract from our constitution below) as I suspect a lot of LAs do. What we are not clear about from the consultation document is what degree of formality of response the Government are envisaging on top of what we and others already do. The document cites examples from the Scottish Parliament, Switzerland and some U.S. states but these countries all have very different mechanisms right up to initiating formal referendums. Is the final guidance likely to be very prescriptive (i.e. x% of signatures must be collected within y months) and when will this statutory duty come into force?

     

    Jonathan Bryant

     

    "At a meeting of the Council any Member of the Council may present a petition, signed by persons other than Members of the Council, which is relevant to some matter in relation to which the Authority has functions, or which affects the area of the Authority, or part of it, or the inhabitants of that area, or some of them. The Member presenting the petition shall satisfy himself/herself that the petition is proper to be received.

     

    A petition presented to the Council meeting shall be received without discussion and shall be included on the agenda for the next available meeting of the relevant Committee or Sub-Committee. The Member of the Council presenting the petition shall be invited to attend any meeting of the Committee or Sub-Committee to which it is referred; and shall be informed subsequently of any action taken or proposed in relation to the matters set out in the petition."
  • 309 in reply to 305
    31/01/2008, 3:24 PM :: Posted by John Radford (Posts 4)

    Re: Local Petitions

    Before answering the questions, I have to say I'm not entirely convinced that there needs to be yet another statutory requirement placed on local authorities.  We have been dealing with petitions for ever.  The whole concept of local government is local accountability. If we don't deal with a petition adequately the petitioners take action as appropriate which might involve a report to the ombudsman, an MP, a local campaign involving the media, or ultimately the ballot box.

    The specific questions you ask typify the problems faced by prescription.  You have to try to define every action whether that be what a local person is (those of us who work in local government know what a local person is - we see them and work with them every day, although typically we might start from the electoral roll in terms of defining petitions and deputations.  After all this is democracy).  On the question of young people there is a clear and growing need to encourage greater participation of young people in civic life so you should find a way.  Attendance at a school in the area is one model, but given cross boundary attendance that will exclude some young residents at the expense of people from other areas. I would suggest some form of discretion.

    You also ask what is the right number. Well that depends on the issue. Consequently when local authorities set lower limits they tend to be very low because in some cases a petition issue can be very local indeed.

    One thing these embryonic guidelines do not start to deal with though are personal or hate petitions. I presume that if you insist on prescribing these matters you will also find a way of tackling petitioners who are on a personal vendetta or pursuing offensive, anti social-cohesion issues.

  • 312 in reply to 309
    19/02/2008, 9:23 AM :: Posted by Emma Hagan (Posts 17)

    Question Closed

    A big thank you to you all for your contributions so far.  This question has now closed and a new question will begin Tuesday 19th February.

    To answer some of the issues that have been raised:

    • We recognise that many local authorities already deal with petitions systematically, scrupulously and fairly but we would like everyone, no matter where they live, to have the confidence that their concerns will be taken seriously.

    • As we are in the process of consulting on and then developing this policy area we don’t have answers about what guidance might look like at this time, although we would be pleased to hear your thoughts on it.

    Don’t forget that although this question is now closed you can still email your thoughts to us and join in the debate on our new question which starts Tuesday 19th February.

    Thanks again

    Emma (moderator)

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